New to my collection: Dual C846

Congratulation.

Yes, indeed C846, later called CC1462 (other colours) is together with C826 (sucessor of C824) probably one of the last famous Dual-Decks. There also later ones, which was manufactured by Rotel, but Two-Head-Decks only.

Unfortunatly C846 comes with a plastic front but with all 'ingredients' Dualdecks are famous for e.g. DLL-Technologie and most of the golden era offer all IEC-Types I,II, III and IV.

B.R.

Wolfgang

Hi Alex,

I have once owned a C856, a dual capstan three head two speeds deck.
This part was marvellous for quite some time, but the heads were not so long lasting quality like for example the glassed heads of Akai decks.
At double speed you would be highly impressed specially of the bass that it (re)produced, but you should then bettter not use the reverse side of the tape because of overspeaking (?) from the reverse side tracks.
Wow and flutter was at superb 0,06 %.

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Do you mean that CC1462 is the same C846?
I was thinking that after C846 there was nothing.
Also the schematics of C846 differs from C844..

Yes, please look on the 'wegavisions' website
C 846 (right hand side) : http://dual.pytalhost.eu/1986/07.jpg
CC 1462......................: http://dual.pytalhost.eu/1987/dual87-16.jpg

C846 was offered in brown and satin/metallic and CC 1462 in black (graphit metallic). Same with CS630Q/CS620Q DD-record players with some minor changes and were renumbered as CS2235Q and CS2225Q. (C= Componente i.e. component, S = Spieler (I guess) i.e. Player , Q= Quartz)

What I read from "zivi" and "briegel" C846 was totally different compared to C844 but C826 came out C824. Zivi wrote that for C826 most of the spare parts are still available because all electronics and ICs were standard items, not customized for Dual.

Main side: http://wegavision.pytalhost.com/dual.html -> "Recorder C und CD"

I've also read some recommondations regarding to CC5850 .

B.R.

Wolfgang

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But it is interesting couple of things.
1. C844 has sendust heads (as I remember). Is it the same witn C846?
2. Quality of recording/playback differs from C844?

Dear Alexander,

honestly: I don't know.

Data Sheet and Description states nothing about the heads (http://dual.pytalhost.eu/1987/dual87-22.jpg) but probably on wegavisions Website you can pick the information in the service manual (if available, but he's very busy)

I guess the qualtity between both do not vary. Some improvements concerning magnetic tape recording very made during the late 1980s, so I assume C846 may be a little bit better. C844 is better equipped and has a metal cabinet, but C846 came with plastic front.

Dual was bancrupt 1982, C844 was under the control of a family run period (the Steidingers), C846 was devoleped unter the conditions of saving cost (owned by the French company Thompson Brand).

Since the German consumer electronics faces a strong competition onwards still the early 1970es, espacially from Japanese companies, Telefunken, Saba, ELAC, some more and Dual were forced to give up or look for a merger. So Grundig and Philips jointly come together (Philips at least took over Grundig), Thompson saved Saba, Nordmende, Dual. Some others WEGA was bought by Sony, Loewe (TV) stays independant but 51% owned by Mathushita (Panasonic). Some small brands like Thorens (togehter with EMT) or Metz (TV) or Studer/Revox survived totally indepandant for a while. There is still a German industry left over but not with that market penetration compared to the golden era (1950..1970).

C844/C846 were sold usually more than 1000 DM (Deutsche Mark), today approx. 500 EUR. 1 US$ about 2,00.. 3,50 DM. So this was very expensive items, a normal worker usually could not afford.

C824/C826 were offered approx. 700 DM. This was better quality and good enough for most. A typically class, strong competition.

Cheaper single decks were usually sold around 400 DM or less.

Compared to famous Japanese, like Nakamichi, Pioneer, Technics and a very cheap JPY (Yen) those decks offered more advanced technologie and more capabilities and for a cheaper price.

However, typical German competitors to Dual was Telefunken, Saba, Grundig and compared to them Dual was pretty good. Also compared to Japanese. No doubt.

Very good Decks came from Revox (2500 DM and more), Eumig (Austria), ASC (Germany, AS2000/1, 3000/1 >3000 DM), Tandberg (Norway) and, of course, the some Nakamichis. Nakamichi Dragon was sold around 4000 DM, 1000 ZXL 7000 DM. But smaller Nakamichis, like BX125 (700 DM) could not hit a Dual C824.

CC5850 was produced by Rotel (I guess). This a typical 1990s Deck, when tape recording was declining, since CD-Player, and Car-CD-Player were sold due mass production with rather cheap prices. So end of 1980s the was no remarkable new and expensive tape decks. The devolpment of magnetic tape recording came smootly to it's end.

B.R.

Wolfgang

You got a personal note ( PN-Box/ Personal Message Box).

For your detailled question: coming soon...

B.R.

Wolfgang